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A Broken Shell

Many years ago, I was on a missions trip to the Philippines.  I traveled to a remote island where our small boat landed on a shore covered with shells.  There were so many that I couldn’t see any sand, just beautiful shells. In my excitement, I reached down and grabbed a handful, not realizing children were watching me. When it was time to leave, the children lined up and each excitedly handed me a shell.  Each shell was beautiful; then one little girl handed me a broken shell.  My first reaction was disappointment and I thought about discarding it once I left the shore. 

However, before I left, I felt the Lord asking me what would I do with broken people. Would I just toss them away like the broken shell? That shell became more meaningful than all the perfect ones. After telling this story to my good friend Fernando Souza, he responded;

In that small broken shell, there is a story. Your story made me reflect on the perfection of the church. The church is perfect, but its members are not flawless beings, but individuals in a constant process of transformation. And it is precisely this imperfection that makes the church so precious. It is a perfect family of imperfect children who are nurtured, strengthened, and perfected day by day by God, through the Holy Spirit and life together with each other.

The church is the most precious place on Earth for us, the children of God. It is here that we find a home, a family, a flock of sheep guided by the true Shepherd. It is here that we surrender to the Lord and His people, strengthening each other in our walk of faith. “You are altogether beautiful, my love; there is no flaw in you.” Song of Solomon 4:7. In God’s eyes, the church is perfect because it is formed by imperfect people seeking the perfection of Jesus. The church reminds us that true beauty lies in accepting our flaws and in the process of constant transformation.

Fernando Souza and family.

The truth is, if you’ve been involved in relational gatherings for more than one or two hours you’ve most likely run into broken people. Honestly, we all are broken to some extent, but what do we do when we encounter someone in need of help? For many who come, a loving and open environment will bring healing and growth. It may take a while and it might be messy, but people willing to change can and do, and watching someone grow and mature in Christ is glorious.

However, there are others.

The gift of discernment is crucial in this area. I’ve heard so many horror stories and have experienced some myself. Dysfunctional people come to the group: you see the red flags but you have a desire to help them so the flags are overlooked. You continue to meet but they never change. They have the potential to destroy the group all in one fell swoop, and they usually do.

After fifteen years of doing relational gatherings, I have gotten better at discerning people who have the potential of setting off bombs. It usually doesn’t happen right away; it seems it happens once they are fully integrated in the group and the timing of the blast is often opportune.

If you are unsure if a person will integrate well in the group, it is better you meet one on one or in a small separate group and honestly reflect on any issues that you see. If confronted in a loving manner with no positive outcome, the person may likely disconnect on their own. On the other hand, if a person is humble and willing to discuss issues, there is hope that they can and will change. People changing over time is a good indication that the Lord is working in their lives and that they can be a healthy part of the gathering.

Perhaps you would like to share your wisdom on this issue; we all can learn. You can comment below.

Check out Fernando Souza’s blog here.

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Riding the Rapids

In my younger years, my friends and I would rent a canoe and paddle down the Delaware River. It was lots of fun especially when you hit the rapids. You had to successfully navigate around the rocks by steering the canoe from the back. In between the rapids you could rest up and let the current take you peacefully downriver. In contrast, if you ever had to paddle against the current and tried to get up river, you know how exhausting that can be. It’s a lot of work, not much fun and you don’t get very far. I prefer going with the current.

Going with the flow.

I grew up in church and have been involved in church and ministry my whole life. It’s only been recently, however, that I feel like I am finally heading downstream, enjoying the current and allowing the Holy Spirit to help navigate me through the rocky places. Finding my purpose in Christ has set me on a path filled with wonder, joy and fulfillment.

One of the problems with institutional church is that it is extremely difficult to find your true purpose. If you want to do more than just show up on Sunday, you get integrated into a system that focuses on fulfilling the mission of the pastor and the church. Because of my skills, I was used in all areas of media; that’s where I fit and that’s where I stayed. I knew there was more that the Lord implanted in me but I had no outlet to pursue His calling in my life.

Are You Headed Upstream?

Most people know they don’t have the speaking ability to be a preacher, teacher or evangelist, they don’t have the time or skill to go to seminary to become a pastor and they don’t see themselves on the mission field. They give up on thinking they have anything to offer besides helping to park cars, usher, help count the money or work the sound board. They bury the thought that there might be a calling on their lives.

The blessing of doing relational gatherings is that each of us has the opportunity to blossom, explore what the Lord has for us and develop our gifts. Seeing people develop and engage in their purpose has been one of the most satisfying things I’ve experienced in doing life together. Seeing people mature and minister to each other is incredible exhilarating to watch.

Are you stuck paddling upstream, maybe it’s time to turn your canoe around.

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Knots and Nets

A knot is a structure made on a length of rope by twisting the rope around itself. Knots often bind the rope to itself or other objects. According to the Ashley Book of Knots, there are over 3,800 core knots in the world. Different knots serve different purposes.

After I moved to Phoenix, I began searching for relational fellowships around the area. Most of the gatherings had little to no social presence so many I found through word of mouth or by people contacting me via my website. I was surprised by the number of groups out there. (See my Relationships page). I was also surprised by how different each group was. They all follow the four pillars referred to in Acts 2:42, but each group is unique in its expression. Like knots, these groups serve different purposes.

I was visiting a knot in Sun City hosted by John and Marlena and a word came out about nets. It really struck me. Knots are really great but it’s only when you connect the knots together that you can build an effective net. Nets are better at catching fish than knots. Small independent groups have a tendency to focus inward which can result in losing fish. Let me explain:

If an older person decides to explore a relational fellowship for the first time and happens to visit a group that caters to young people, they will most likely not feel comfortable. What happens? There’s a good chance they won’t come back and may even abandon their search for a group. However, if the host knows there are other groups meeting, that might be more suitable, they can redirect them somewhere else. Having a network of independent relational fellowships knowing each other and knowing the strengths of each group helps catch fish.

We’re not in competition with each other and we don’t get upset when someone doesn’t connect with our group. It’s not personal. We need to have the best interest of the seeker in mind and then try to connect them to a group where they can feel at home. We need to start looking outward and begin connecting with others.

If you haven’t checked out my Resources page, please do. I’ve read lots of books about relational fellowships over the last few years and have posted some great excerpts. While meditating on knots and nets, I was reading the book The Community of the King by Howard A. Snyder published in 1977. This was the first time I read something about groups connecting. The excerpt is below.

Much harm can be done to the body by a small group with an independent spirit which goes off on a tangent and creates division. There must therefore be coordination among such structures, both on the local level and more broadly. In a local church community, at least one person from each group, with some gifts for leadership, should participate in a coordinating group which acts as a clearing-house for information and a center for ideas and planning. Thus the groups are mutually supportive, each contributing to the other, demonstrating in still another respect the mutuality of the body of Christ.

Similarly, each group is not to carry out its specific mission in total isolation or independence from other groups. All groups are part of the body. Cooperation is needed between the groups to achieve maximum effectiveness. This is true within a local church community and the same thing applies to several local churches within a city or suburb. James F. Engel and H. Wilbert Norton in their book What’s Gone Wrong with the Harvest? demonstrate the need for such cooperation and show how to go about it. This cooperation is equally necessary at regional, national and world levels where cooperative planning and coordination is notoriously lacking. As David McKenna suggests, too often in the Church a wide span…exists between brothers who share a common faith and partners who are willing to share common resources.

Let me encourage you to start looking outward. Pray that God will help you find and connect with other groups. If someone contacts you and is looking for somewhere to meet, go out for coffee, ask them what they’re looking for and connect them to a group that fits their needs. Let’s start to spread our nets in preparation for a great move to relational fellowships.

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The Problem With Wendy’s

If any burger chain will be around for 2000 years into the future, it may well be McDonald’s. They may not have the healthiest food but they have great marketing and have built quite an empire.  

I recently looked up “healthiest burger chains” online and an article on cozymeal.com came up entitled Top 16 Healthiest Fast Food Burgers in 2024. McDonald’s had no burgers on the list. Wendy’s Jr. Hamburger took second prize and the article said this:

The Jr. hamburger from one of the healthiest fast food chains, Wendy’s, might become your new best friend. This mini version of the classic packs a flavorful punch and is a lighter option than the Jr. cheeseburger. Featuring a fresh beef patty with toppings on a soft bun, it’s a delicious option.

One wonders why people are still attracted to a less healthy option when alternatives are right around the corner.  

When I talk with people about relational gatherings, I run into a common issue.  You can talk to people about how unhealthy the institutional church may be, but you can’t tell them to run to Wendy’s and check out the food there.  Relational gatherings, healthy ones, are hard to find.  It’s also difficult trying to tell people who have had a steady diet of McDonald’s for 1700 years, that there might be a healthier alternative. There may be no place to actually experience it.

If you’re flipping burgers at Wendy’s, you’re my hero. I’m proud of you, don’t stop and don’t get discouraged. As more and more healthy relational gatherings crop up around the country, we can finally invite people in to sample the food. Then they can make their own decisions.

I’m hopeful, that as He continues to build His church, people will have a place to experience the Biblically-based reality of relational gatherings. Who knows, maybe Wendy’s will be the one that survives into the future.

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Does Your Pastor Make House Calls?

My mom, at 93, still has a sharp mind. Her detailed recollection of childhood and life events is incredible. I recently asked her if she remembered doctors making house calls. She did, and then began telling me all the instances when doctors came to her home.

House calls for doctors are a thing of the past and so it seems the same can be said about pastors. Pastors have a tendency to isolate themselves from the sheep in order to preserve personal time and family time. It’s understandable, they’re overwhelmed.

We all love the story of the Good Shepherd going after his lost sheep.

What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 

Luke 15:4-5 (NKJV)

Jesus got his feet dirty traveling around. He didn’t set up shop somewhere and expect people to visit him at his “church” once or twice a week. He became intimately involved in people’s lives. He was intensely relational, He went after lost sheep and He made house calls.

I remember a good friend I had at a large institutional church. When his daughter was born he asked me to be the godfather and I was happy to accept. As he rose in the ranks of hierarchy, he eventually became an assistant pastor. At that point the senior pastor advised him to change his phone number and not give it out to anyone. I had no way of communicating with my friend and our relationship ended.

The church structure dictates that isolation for those in leadership is the way it has to be, but it’s contrary to everything Jesus taught and modeled. My friend only lasted a few years after his appointment, he left the church completely disillusioned. I’m sure many of you would be able to share your own heartbreaking stories.

I like to ask people, who have spent years attending church, tithing and volunteering their time, if they’ve ever been invited to the Senior Pastor’s home just to hang out or even go out for coffee. I’m usually met with puzzled looks as if I asked them something inappropriate. I grew up in church and have been on staff but I’ve never been invited to a pastors home, never ever. Doesn’t that seem strange? We pour our lives out for a church or ministry and develop only superficial relationships with the hierarchy.

Woman at the Well by Jessica Reagan

The question is then, whose pattern should we be following? Whose pattern should our pastors be following? Jesus made house calls, he got involved in people’s lives, he went after wandering sheep-does your pastor follow Christ’s example? The model of institutional church is broken, the gap between clergy and laity doesn’t lend itself to forming meaningful relationships. There must be, and there is, a more excellent way and I encourage you to search for it.

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Finding Church

Next month I will be traveling to the beautiful country of Tanzania.  This will be my second trip.  During my first trip I was accompanied by my friend Lee who had been there previously.  Traveling with someone who knows how to get around was a great anxiety reliever and made my time there enjoyable.  

I had that same sense when reading this book.  Wayne Jacobsen feels like a loving guide who’s been there before and is trying to help navigate our journey to find true church.  You can tell he has scars from past experiences but there’s no sense of bitterness in his words.  This is a great travel guide and I would highly recommend this book if you want to have a truly enjoyable time on your journey.  An excerpt follows.  You can find more information and free resources at www.lifestream.org.

Finding a traditional congregation isn’t any more difficult than finding a McDonald’s hamburger. They are everywhere and they are not subtle about it, with ever-taller steeples and bell towers that intrude into the cityscape. But what do you do if you no longer fit into those conformity-based structures? How do you find the church Jesus is building if there’s no sign on the door?

I never foresaw the day when I’d no longer be an active member of a local congregation and getting here hasn’t been easy. As much as I respect those who still find it an important part of their spiritual life, it is no longer an important part of mine. Both of the congregations I was part of in my adult years hit a glass ceiling where the institutional needs came in conflict with the life of Jesus I was seeking. I wasn’t ready to give up on the desire to participate in his church as a vibrant community of friends cooperating with God’s unfolding work in the world, and I discovered that I could have a more fruitful connection with people and share Jesus’ life more freely without all the accoutrements, political intrigue, and routine that our institutions force on fellowship.

Most people who leave end up doing what I did, looking for another group to fill the Sunday morning void and the friendships they lost by leaving. During the last couple of decades, many have found their way into home groups and other more informal gatherings. When they come together to give rise to a community of friends sharing the life of Jesus and his heart for those around them, they can be wonderful places for the church to find expression. A home or sharing a meal is the most natural environment for us to experience his family as we focus on him and his work in us, rather than the meeting.

Unfortunately, however, an entire industry has emerged in trying to make them just another system. Sometimes called house church, simple church, or organic church, books and articles tout them as the model most consistent with the first-century church. These groups meet weekly in a home often beginning with a meal and then sharing a similar ritual to many congregations with a mix of songs, Bible study, prayer, and planning activities. While such gatherings offer the potential for a deeper relational connection, however, it doesn’t always pan out that way.

I’ve been in home groups that had more hoops to jump through than many congregations. One even had rows of folding chairs with an aisle down the middle and a lectern and piano in front of a lighted cross on the wall. House church, indeed! While most aren’t like that, it did serve as a metaphor for the many house churches that use the same dynamics of conformity to control people. Control in a small group is even more destructive. Just because people gather in smaller groups and meet in homes doesn’t make them immune from the concerns expressed in the last chapter about more traditional congregations. House churches, too, can practice religious performance and miss out on life in Christ, be captive to insecure leaders, and copy a model instead of following the Master to end up just as much an expression of human effort.

In hopes of creating an international movement a lot of time and money has been invested in refining the program, identifying spokespeople, and hosting conventions in hopes of spreading a house church model as an end-time hope to revitalize the church. As much as I have enjoyed and love the people I’ve met in that conversation, I’m afraid they are falling into the same traps that originally drove them to house church. I’ve watched these people compete for visibility and influence, push their pet programs and books, and try to build a leadership-dependent infrastructure.

The problem is not the venue; it is our preoccupation with anything other than him. Any time we try to replicate a human system, it will eventually lead people away from the new creation. Even things that start out with a lot of grace and freedom quickly become pressure-filled with obligations and expectations. Real relationships don’t need them, and utilizing them rarely fixes the problem. As with any other expression of the church, enjoy it as long as it expresses his kingdom and give it a wide berth when it no longer does.

“We’ve stopped going to church and are going to start something in our home this week. Can you give us any tips as to what we might do and what we might want to avoid?” I get that email almost every week. My counsel is always the same: Avoid starting something. Once you start some “thing” your focus will shift from connecting with people to ensuring that the “thing” goes well. Home groups, with a nucleus of people who are looking for something different, are easy to start but they are difficult to sustain when the focus is on a meeting. People will eventually grow bored with house meetings but they won’t grow bored with one another if friendship is engaged.

You will find the church easiest when you stop looking for an “it,” and simply love the people God has put around you. Start with growing friendships instead of trying to find a group to join. It was no accident that the church began at Pentecost without any strategy or preconceived notion of what it would look like. They weren’t told to start Sunday services or have midweek home groups. They simply did what their new experience with the Gospel and their engagement with his Spirit led them to do. 
Learn to follow him and then engage others around you with the reality of his kingdom and watch how that bears fruit.

Wayne Jacobsen, Finding Church

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Preparing The House

I recently came across this quote from T. Austin Sparks.

The truth is that subjection to Jesus Christ is not a miserable life as a vassal.  It is a life of triumph, a life of victory, a life of glory, a life of fullness. It is the blinding work of the enemy with men, to make them think that to belong to the Lord, to have the Lord in their lives, means they are going to lose all that is worth while, and be shut down, and then all the time be poor cringing creatures, hardly able to lift their heads up, going about as beggars. That is Satan’s lie.  The Old Testament brings it out here so clearly that, when all things were subject to, submitting themselves to, God’s appointed king, it was a time of fullness, such as the people had never known: and so it is when Jesus is Lord with us in heaven.

T. Austin Sparks, God’s Spiritual House

The Old Testament scripture he is referring to is found in 1 Chronicles 24. In this chapter, David is preparing to hand over the many resources he has collected to Solomon, so he can begin construction of the House of God.

Now David said, “Solomon my son is young and inexperienced, and the house to be built for the Lord must be exceedingly magnificent, famous and glorious throughout all countries. I will now make preparation for it.”

Behold, a son shall be born to you, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies all around. His name shall be Solomon, for I will give peace and quietness to Israel in his day.

I Chronicles 24:5, 9

As we examine our lives, are they full of victory, glory and fullness? If not, maybe there are a few things to consider. Have we been blinded by the enemy to believe that life truly devoted to Christ is slavery? In this case, we hold back from completely surrendering to our Lord. We want to keep various portions of our lives separated from Him. It’s hard to give up everything.

However, I think there is something more troubling. Consider our corporate church culture. We are taught that we need to help our church/pastor fulfill his vision for his house. We are given gifts and talents to help build up the ekklesia but instead we use them to build up a man’s vision of his church. You might think this is harsh but would you consider the fruit of the church today to be “exceedingly magnificent, famous and glorious throughout all countries.” Would you consider that the church is at rest with our enemies? It appears something is not working. Church based and founded on dynamic personalities will never achieve this. I know from personal experience.

So the question is, whose houses are we building? I truly believe, and have experienced, that when we submit ourselves to our King, not a dynamic leader, our lives and the life of the ekklesia will be exceedingly magnificent.

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King Makers

I went out for some Mexican food with my friends Rich and Craig and at one point we talked about some of the larger churches here in the Phoenix area. We discussed some of the multi-million dollar homes the pastors of these large churches had or were currently building for themselves. Of course this is not only a local issue. I’m sure we all are aware of the big salaries, mansions and jet planes many of the ministers around the country have. I certainly don’t believe Christians should live in poverty but it does seem the excesses of ministers are not a true reflection of the life of Christ and His followers.

The question is…how does this happen? I’ve always been fascinated with the Hebrew people demanding a king, recorded in 1 Samuel 8. God’s plan was to have Judges and Prophets guide the people but the people wanted a king like the other nations. Samuel warned them.

So Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who asked him for a king. And he said, “This will be the behavior of the king who will reign over you: He will take your sons and appoint them for his own chariots and to be his horsemen, and some will run before his chariots. He will appoint captains over his thousands and captains over his fifties, will set some to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and some to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. He will take your daughters to be perfumers, cooks, and bakers. And he will take the best of your fields, your vineyards, and your olive groves, and give them to his servants. He will take a tenth of your grain and your vintage, and give it to his officers and servants. And he will take your male servants, your female servants, your finest young men, and your donkeys, and put them to his work. He will take a tenth of your sheep. And you will be his servants. And you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you in that day.”

1 Samuel 8:10-18 NKJV

Is it our fault? Are we the ones still demanding a king? Are we the king makers? Instead of developing personal intimacy with Christ and intimacy with other followers, we would rather go to a large facility and listen to a king tell us what and how to do life. Many of the warnings stated by Samuel still ring true today. At church we become workers for the king, busy bees, building his kingdom. We lose our freedom and of course we are required to give our tenth. For most this is the easier path, requiring us to give our time, talent and treasure but not develop true intimacy that the Father requires of us.

It’s quite sad that the people rejected God.

But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” So Samuel prayed to the Lord. And the Lord said to Samuel, “Heed the voice of the people in all that they say to you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt, even to this day—with which they have forsaken Me and served other gods—so they are doing to you also. Now therefore, heed their voice. However, you shall solemnly forewarn them, and show them the behavior of the king who will reign over them.”

1 Samuel 8:6-9 NKJV

I hope you take the time to examine your heart to see if you are truly serving the King or if you are in service to a king. There is so much beauty and freedom in doing our Christian walk the way God intended. Yes, the path is difficult but the results are worth every step!

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Prepare and Warn

I really don’t like to write blogs that may be time sensitive but I’m making an exception here. Today I read two articles, one was titled ‘Berlin city official advises citizens not to make their Jewish faith visible’ and the other one was ‘US nabs Iranian national who snuck across southern border in dead of night’. Also today, my cousin Danny talked about the church he attends. He wonders if it’s really necessary that people are assigned to carry guns inside the church to protect the congregants.

My good friend Rachel posted a YouTube link in our House Church group chat. I usually don’t watch videos about prophetic predictions especially if they are an hour long, however, because it was Rachel I checked it out.

At one point they were comparing the days of Noah to our present day. They referenced Luke 17.

And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

Luke 17:26-30

They made the point that Noah was doing two things. Noah, knowing a storm was coming, was preparing a place of safety and he was also warning people.

If you’re on social media it seems Christians have the second part down. They are predicting and warning all the time, especially now. Concerning the first part, I know that there are ministries out there prepping people for the upcoming storm: buy a generator, raise chickens, get silver coins, accumulate food and medicine, but is there more to preparing a place of safety? What happens if synagogues and churches become targets of hate? Will every synagogue and church need armed gunmen inside and outside of worship facilities?

For us, we are building Arks. House Churches across the globe are places of safety. There may come a time when people are afraid to go to a building to worship. Where will they go? Hopefully we will be ready. We will need plenty of Arks to welcome them in two by two, now is the time to build…the sky is already getting cloudy.

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The Problem With Success

It’s so encouraging to hear stories of House Churches growing and expanding. In Jason Shepperd’s book, A Church of House Churches, he describes an initial group of forty people meeting in 2 House Churches expanding over time to thousands in 75 House Churches. They also started Church Project, a more conventional church that meets twice on Sunday and has about 4,000 people gathering. It seems there are other Church Project Network churches. Together there are 8-10,000 who consider Church Project their church.

Many of us that have established House Churches, have seen imperfections in the conventional church model and would never consider going back. It might seem odd for a House Church network to grow and become successful and start a conventional church. Jason Shepperd describes it like this:

All of this happened with no centralized office, no phone number. No receptionist. No office foyer. No mailers. No marketing.

The rest of his book, which is only around 100 pages, seems like a defense of his decision to incorporate a conventional church and a network of House Churches. He writes the following:

But, God has also seemed to value the large gathering of His people. There is a value to corporate worship. In the Old Testament, people gathered regularly for feasts and festivals and the worship was pretty phenomenal, planned out and prepared and had a ton of people present. In the New Testament, where House Church was birthed, large corporate gatherings still happened. The apostles taught people by the thousands. They were kicked out of the Temple courts and rented Solomon’s Colonnade, a lecture hall contiguous to the Temple, for weekly gatherings for thousands of people.

I’m not sure what smaller communities will look like in Heaven. I’m not sure what diversity will look like in Heaven with age, gender, skin color, etc. But, the glimpses that God has given into corporate worship of His people in Heaven, joining with the angels, will be phenomenal.

God seems to love the corporate gathering of His people in the Old Testament, the New Testament, and in Heaven.

One of my mentors, Teryl Hebert, was a conventional pastor that dissolved his church to pursue a more relational model. There are a number of House Churches he is overseeing. Teryl holds corporate gatherings about 3-4 times a year so new people can meet others, they can worship together and they can discuss material and spiritual concerns as a community. From my experience, this seems to be the trend for House Church Networks…not developing a traditional weekly corporate gathering but setting up meetings whenever the need arises.

The author claims there is scripture to justify the Church Project but never gives any except the references to the Temple court and the Colonnade. Maybe they rented Solomon’s Colonnade for a time, but Christ followers were kicked out of there also. Beyond that, there seems to be no Biblical references in the New Testament for the church meeting in large venues with thousands of people.

It would be interesting to hear comments from those that have experienced Church Project. From the book it appears that this movement is highly successful, vibrant, growing and financially helping lots of people.